Travian3 Beyond - ML&CN

By ms99 Last update Feb 4, 2010 — Installed 5,883,221 times.

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Hokage User

Well, sorry for creating this topic, but i need to ask this.. Can you say me, the best way to don“t have a ban because of this script?
This is very importante for everyone not just for me! You could put on the description of the script too..

Very Nice script!! It's the BEST SCRIPT!!!!!

 
ms99 Script's Author
@Hokage,

The script will not cause a ban if you use it decently.
1.Avoid permanently updating the village information on "dorf3.php" if you do not have a PLUS account.
2. Set the script to retrieve only 1 page of messages/reports/offers (preload options).
3. While on the map, do not permanently mouse over cells. Try to wait 1-2 seconds between moving to another cell (if you are not in your 7x7 map cell).

Well, that's all you should take care of... And something else, very important... You may tell your friends about the script but NOT that you're using it. The script is normally not detected... but if a MH, SMH or admin has the information that you may be using the script, your account may be banned.

Thank you.

EDIT: You may want to delete this topic after reading it.
 
Hokage User

Ok tank you, a very helpful information :D

 
DMaster Scriptwright

delete this thread...

 
onceua User

Why to delete it?
It's very important to everybody.
Some more questions (was banned today, may be cause of T3, may be not...)
- What is mean by "village information on "dorf3.php"? Which options must be set off, or when this "dorf3" is updating?
- What about using "move to arhive" option in report section? Now i think it's 100% detectable, because it's impossible, i suppose, to move report to arhive without plus... (it is possible, though, to read it, if manually type proper adress in browser...)
Script is really awesome:)

 
Hokage User

Im not going to delete it, it is very important for everyone..

 
ms99 Script's Author
@Hokage,

If it is so important for everyone, you should all give it a try and read all the posts (including the archive). I posted these explanations for a lot of times now, and will not repeat them !
 
onceua User

Well, if ms99 doesn't want to fill this topic, let's try ourselves.
I tried to search, but didn't find much for a moment.
Only
"Please use map options, market offers, message and report preload features with care"
So let's discuss, which exactly operations are not safe.
Map - probably map info about sell = unsafe, if too quickly, scan.
----- distances and times - safe(?)
Market - multipages - unsafe.
-------- Just one page offers filtering - safe (?).
Message - multipages - unsafe, archive - very unsafe
-------- using look in popup window, one page deleting, enhancing info - safe (?)

What about colored numbers of buildings level? I think it's necessary to quickly open all of buildings pages to detect their levels?

Let's discuss is it all correct.

@Hokage - better rename topic to "safe use of beyond", "stealth beyond" "avoiding hummering server" or smth etc. It will be more informative to everybody, then just "very important"

 
onceua User

I also find some info:
quote-ms99:"This script tries to avoid generating "patterns" or "unusual activity" on the game server. You should use with care the features provided by the map (automatic showing of information about the cells/oasis, scan the map function), preload pages for the marketplace and the messages/reports, update all villages while on 'dorf3.php' pages, etc."
in the topic http://userscripts.org/topics/18204 - also there's some ms99's thoughts about rights and legal stuff...

 
onceua User

WRONG REFERENCES!
Well, I have some more notes/questions on the issue.
References in many T3 icons on the top of screen are different from the same in "clean" Travian
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window |T3icon reference | Travian adress
-------------|----------------------|--------------------
RallyPoint | /build.php?gid=16&j&k| /build.php?id=39
Barracks | /build.php?gid=19 | /build.php?id=23
Market-buy | /build.php?gid=17&t=1| /build.php?id=24&t=1
Market-sell | /build.php?gid=17&t=2| /build.php?id=24&t=2
Market-transp| /build.php?gid=17 | /build.php?id=24
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and may be many others, too.
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So ... it's so easy to detect... just look on wrong references! As it is impossible to generate this adress without script...
Please, can this references can be fixed in the script?
Sure, one can fix it manually, but it will be lost with upgrade...
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DANGER .GIFS
when updating some pages, for example, report page, unusual gifs are loading from server, in this case - http://sN.travian.xx/img/xx/b/archiv.gif... also if using quicklinks - http://sN.travian.xx/img/un/u/specials.gif...
Is it possible to make identical downloads with and without script (and without plus)... In opposite case it's detectable... and banned:(

 
a1tung User

I felt that if everyone were to start a topic like you guys, then this whole board would be filled with spam. When you use a script, you use it with your own risk. Understand the risks before you use it.

If a person abuses the function of the script, getting banned is what you get. Use the functions to the minimum. Use your brains and do some of the things yourselves. I only use the script for ease of calculation such as efficiency of raid, amount of resources needed for the next upgrade, and also for check the trade ratio in market place, as well as levels of the building so i don't have to hover over all my buildings in 50 of my villages.

So quit blabbering with your issues and get on with it. Close this topic down ms99..

 
a1tung User

[QUOTE] @Hokage,

If it is so important for everyone, you should all give it a try and read all the posts (including the archive). I posted these explanations for a lot of times now, and will not repeat them ! [/QUOTE]

Exactly the point, you guys should go and search the archives.. Don't keep bringing up old stuff. Read, find, and search.. Don't expect to be spoonfed.

 
ms99 Script's Author
@onceua,

1. Before posting here, make sure you understand how the script generates the links. And have you thought that one may bookmark (using the normal bookmark of favorite functions of his browser) those links ? Who will ever ban you for bookmarks that may not be current anymore ? As long as they work they are valid and no one would ever dare to ban you account for this.
2. I do not know about what dangerous gifs you are talking about ? "Archive" ? Just try the path on your own as a single address in the address bar of your browser. It will work. Once downloaded the browser will use its cache and will never download it again. The same for the "specials.gif". And a lot of other images are embedded inside this script.
3. Please, before posting here and driving all mad, try to understand the script, try to read all that has been posted over the last year and finally if you do not feel safe with the script, please do not use it.

There are a lot of users of this script and I have only 3 reports of people being banned. But they admit all that they have used other scripts, too. And they made intensive use of the "dorf3.php" page generated by the script which is dangerous when permanently using it.

As a conclusion, when used in a decent manner, the script will not cause any banned account. But keep in mind this is not a 100% replacement of the PLUS account.

And if you cannot live without the PLUS features of "dorf3.php" page or if you need the "Archive" - which is a shit in fact, as the product manager admitted on a german forum that messages are deleted randomly once the message storage is full - you should buy PLUS.

And as a recommendation, please do not permanently load more than 1 page of messages/reports/offers from the server. If you want to quickly search for a good offer or have a better overview of your messages/reports you can use the setup. But, let's be serious, no one needs 5 pages of reports or messages permanently ! Save the important messages/reports in local files as they will be anyway deleted randomly by the game server.

About the map. It is even less dangerous with the new T3.5 version of the game, as the entire 7x7 map around you active village is already available locally (provided by the game server) and the script uses the new information. If you permanently search the map, you should consider using a specialised service (check the links on the left menu and search the Internet).

And if I invest a lot of my free time in this script for learning purposes, you may make at least the effort to read what a lot of users have posted here (including me) and if you still feel unsafe, quit using the script, ok ? But, please stop driving all mad.

@all: Sorry, I am not able to stop/close this thread. It's only the thread creator that can delete it.
 
onceua User

@ms99 Thank you for detailed answer and i'm sorry if wrote something messing.
If you don't want to discuss detection questions and make improvements, thats all. But it is logical to you to make such improvements, then to everybody to fix every new version on local pc...
If you agree, we can work on this together, if you don't want, that's ok.
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About "abusing" (also @a1tung).
There are somewhere on this site multihunter's instructions, for their work. I've looked them a bit. As i understand, MH have a plan - more banned - better... So it checks somebody with different methods regarding multiacc. and scripting. MH is not an idiot. If he checks somebody with intention to ban, he will use every simple method of detection. So loading files from server, which exactly match known script will be easy detectable - o, good work MH, +1 :).
Sure it is not provable in the law, but enough to ban. Same easy way to detect - strange bookmarks. Sure it can be maid in browser... But how strange "old" bokmarks can be in browser, if server starts only few weeks ago, and all bookmarks, which can be made from it are "new". If i was MH, i think "easy pray"...
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Info that only few reports about ban is very hopeful, but may be fantastic number of downloads can change Travian admin attention to script...
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As you advise to "understand" the script before posting... can you be a bit more specific, what is necessary to understand? I think, i more or less understand how it works (except how it receives all buiding levels in the city)...
About reading all posts... I agree, and i do have make an effort, but it is unreal... Search doesn't help, and reading of more then 170 pages to find information about 1-2 pages size is unadequate...
If some want of people to read docs, it's better to make some structure, like bb. For example, to make topic about detection, like this, and put all useful information there. Same on other popular issues. It's much convenient then to scroll dozens of pages of different questions... Jessy made old one-line topics archived just to use advantages of this.
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And last one.
If intention of your post was to close discussion about detection, - no problem. You are the creator and Master here, and i respects.
I have not intention to "drive all mad", sorry again if you feel so. I just wanted implementing some features to erase distinguishes between T3script and ordinary Travian pages from the servers, or MHs, point of view :)
Anyway, script is wonderfull, in visual, structure, and functions, same as all your work here, and style to speek. Thank you.

 
ms99 Script's Author
@onceua,

It seems you are quite new to the game. Or am I wrong ? You may have noticed by now that the hints of every building or resource field (meaning the information that appears while you're mousing over a building or a resource filed) contain the current level of that building respective resource field...

Please keep in mind I do this in my free time which is very short ! If you want detailed information that I (or others) have already provided via posts, it will be a pleasure for me to provide you an offer for providing this information in a structured way (may be quite expensive, more than 100 times the highest GOLD fee).

And about bookmarks... Well, you may have them because you play on a lot of servers. And the "gid" links are always the same, regardless of the server you play on (because they always refer to the current account you are playing and the active village!).

About loading files from the game server... Well, you may do it by simply accessing the address of the image. It's free and nobody can ban you for this !

Once again, please learn how to play the game, find all the information that is provided by the game server, try to imagine how you would make this information available to others in a more or less structured way, try to understand this script and how it works. Rest assured, always remembering that this script will always try to make the best out of the available data without generating additional requests to the game server. All the additional requests that may be performed are always started by you as user of this script !

I can understand you want to help in making this script better. I very much appreciate it. But please, try to have a look at all the posts over the last year. Or just leave it and concentrate on new features that may be implemented or issues. Be assured that it is my goal of making this script "invisible" to the MHs or game admins. But there are features included into the script that are potentially dangerous. If you would have taken the time to read all the posts you may have found out by now that all these potentially dangerous features have been included by user requests - even if they were warned about them.

Thank you.

P.S. And yes, I want to close the discussion here, as I think it is useless. We could discuss every single feature of the script, but I do not have the time for doing this again and again, for every new user of the script. And again, please keep in mind my goal is to make this script "invisible" for the MHs/game admins. And if you use its features in a decent manner and don't disclose the information that you're using the script, you will have no problem.
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