well heres my thoughts. some of its probably been said before and some perhaps being developed right now but im just going to summarize it and say it anyway. ;) 1. even if the scrap guys go away theres still a chance of other spam popping up. 2. the admins cant possibly be expected to deal with all the spam alone how much ever time they do (or dont) have. also, *if* a better solution can be found, its probably a major waste of time trying to read through everything trying to identify whats really spam and what isnt for the admins. heres my ideas for an alternative thing. 1. users should be given more control over what action is actually taken. right now we can mark something as spam, that something referring to scripts and comments. but this merely adds the thing to the list and actually does nothing but bring it to an admin's attention. 2. we should be allowed to spam USERS. if enough scripts/comments of a particular user are spammed they should somehow affect the spam rating of that user as well. 3. users with a certain spam level should have their accounts deactivated (just deactivated not deleted and maybe for a certain period of time only). these users can then approach admins to activate their account again. this way admins arent filtering people out, theyre filtering people in. the advantage is that spam users wouldnt generally contact an admin and if the system is fast enough any new spam account created will also be deactivated just as fast. also the admins would possible have less work to do. 4. scripts with a certain spam level or perhaps by a certain spam user shouldnt appear in the main script listing. perhaps a filter by spam rating thing would be useful. comments with a certain spam level shouldnt be shown. a really nice implementation i found was the comments display on songbird's site. click on any one of their addons' description and you'll know what i mean. link: http://addons.songbirdnest.com/ 5. the owners of a particular scripts should have more control over what comments they mark as spam under that script. i cant think of exactly how much control they should have (because someone might use it to filter out comments they find unreasonable that isnt spam at all) but maybe that would help. (not really clear on whether this would be useful or on the implementation details though.) 6. to prevent the possibility of spam users wrongly spamming another legitimate user, users with a certain spam level should not be allowed to spam other users/scripts or alternatively, their rating should count less. 7. this doesnt really affect democracy or anything like that in any way. it just divides users into two groups. one that the community thinks is spam and one that isnt full of spam users. the latter group gets to do stuff equally, and the former doesnt unless they contact an admin and get their account reactivated (or until the time limit expires) 8. things rated as spam should be viewed in atleast two ways: one like the current view (according to time reported), and another according to number of spam reports that a particular script/comment/user has recieved. Not only could the admin use this to find real spam real fast, but it would also enable the community to better filter it out. further the admins would be able to take action against the users causing most havoc first. 9. on the spam items page, reports of a same thing should be clubbed together. as in if two people report a script, it should be listed only once with both their comments under it. 10. a 'report as spam' link/button should be placed in more places but less conspicuously. (less conspicuously because they sortof mar the otherwise nice interface ;) ). what im thinking of is a little button next to every script on the browse scripts page that lets users mark it as spam. this *shouldnt* distract from the browsing or anything. it should just quietly mark the item as spam i.e. while browsing we can just keep hitting spam and continue with our browsing without much interruption. 11. bots do the same thing again and again. such patterns could be picked up. like it would be nice if the server would detect spam comments, especially the ones with the same text again and again in different scripts. once such spam is detected perhaps all the comments and the user could be automatically marked as spam by the system. 12. perhaps we could 'rate' scripts. this way we could view scripts by rating. also, low rating would automatically be filtered. again, this could be like songbird's comment thing. also look at nabble's way of letting the community monitor spam. okay... i think im done with my blah blahing... okay yeah *AND*... 1. i know that this isnt really easy to implement but i know it can be done. not maybe in a really short while but at least over a longer period of time. also im not suggesting that its really easy to do or that i could do it. im just saying there are people who know enough here to do it. (and im not suggesting that they *should* be doing it either). basically im not suggesting anything so dont get all offended or anything (really dunno for what but then what the hell) 2. these are just ideas. i know theyre specific implementations. ive just written them because they might suggest other (perhaps better) implementations to somebody else. 3. i might not be able to check this thread often or anything. in fact i might forget it altogether (okay not really likely but it *is* a *possibility* ;) ) so dont take offence at that either ;) 4. oh... if your wondering why ive even written this much of (weird? ;) ) stuff... well i dont know either. 5. okay and while im at it, could we have an option to resize this compose black frame or whatever it is? that would be useful. well heres my thoughts. some of its probably been said before and some perhaps being developed right now but im just going to summarize it and say it anyway. ;) 1. even if the scrap guys go away theres still a chance of other spam popping up. 2. the admins cant possibly be expected to deal with all the spam alone how much ever time they do (or dont) have. also, *if* a better solution can be found, its probably a major waste of time trying to read through everything trying to identify whats really spam and what isnt for the admins. heres my ideas for an alternative thing. 1. users should be given more control over what action is actually taken. right now we can mark something as spam, that something referring to scripts and comments. but this merely adds the thing to the list and actually does nothing but bring it to an admin's attention. 2. we should be allowed to spam USERS. if enough scripts/comments of a particular user are spammed they should somehow affect the spam rating of that user as well. 3. users with a certain spam level should have their accounts deactivated (just deactivated not deleted and maybe for a certain period of time only). these users can then approach admins to activate their account again. this way admins arent filtering people out, theyre filtering people in. the advantage is that spam users wouldnt generally contact an admin and if the system is fast enough any new spam account created will also be deactivated just as fast. also the admins would possible have less work to do. 4. scripts with a certain spam level or perhaps by a certain spam user shouldnt appear in the main script listing. perhaps a filter by spam rating thing would be useful. comments with a certain spam level shouldnt be shown. a really nice implementation i found was the comments display on songbird's site. click on any one of their addons' description and you'll know what i mean. link: <a href="http://addons.songbirdnest.com/">http://addons.songbirdnest.com/</a> 5. the owners of a particular scripts should have more control over what comments they mark as spam under that script. i cant think of exactly how much control they should have (because someone might use it to filter out comments they find unreasonable that isnt spam at all) but maybe that would help. (not really clear on whether this would be useful or on the implementation details though.) 6. to prevent the possibility of spam users wrongly spamming another legitimate user, users with a certain spam level should not be allowed to spam other users/scripts or alternatively, their rating should count less. 7. this doesnt really affect democracy or anything like that in any way. it just divides users into two groups. one that the community thinks is spam and one that isnt full of spam users. the latter group gets to do stuff equally, and the former doesnt unless they contact an admin and get their account reactivated (or until the time limit expires) 8. things rated as spam should be viewed in atleast two ways: one like the current view (according to time reported), and another according to number of spam reports that a particular script/comment/user has recieved. Not only could the admin use this to find real spam real fast, but it would also enable the community to better filter it out. further the admins would be able to take action against the users causing most havoc first. 9. on the spam items page, reports of a same thing should be clubbed together. as in if two people report a script, it should be listed only once with both their comments under it. 10. a 'report as spam' link/button should be placed in more places but less conspicuously. (less conspicuously because they sortof mar the otherwise nice interface ;) ). what im thinking of is a little button next to every script on the browse scripts page that lets users mark it as spam. this *shouldnt* distract from the browsing or anything. it should just quietly mark the item as spam i.e. while browsing we can just keep hitting spam and continue with our browsing without much interruption. 11. bots do the same thing again and again. such patterns could be picked up. like it would be nice if the server would detect spam comments, especially the ones with the same text again and again in different scripts. once such spam is detected perhaps all the comments and the user could be automatically marked as spam by the system. 12. perhaps we could 'rate' scripts. this way we could view scripts by rating. also, low rating would automatically be filtered. again, this could be like songbird's comment thing. also look at nabble's way of letting the community monitor spam. okay... i think im done with my blah blahing... okay yeah *AND*... 1. i know that this isnt really easy to implement but i know it can be done. not maybe in a really short while but at least over a longer period of time. also im not suggesting that its really easy to do or that i could do it. im just saying there are people who know enough here to do it. (and im not suggesting that they *should* be doing it either). basically im not suggesting anything so dont get all offended or anything (really dunno for what but then what the hell) 2. these are just ideas. i know theyre specific implementations. ive just written them because they might suggest other (perhaps better) implementations to somebody else. 3. i might not be able to check this thread often or anything. in fact i might forget it altogether (okay not really likely but it *is* a *possibility* ;) ) so dont take offence at that either ;) 4. oh... if your wondering why ive even written this much of (weird? ;) ) stuff... well i dont know either. 5. okay and while im at it, could we have an option to resize this compose black frame or whatever it is? that would be useful.

2007-12-28T17:46:22Z

Forum

5682

1362

2007-12-28T17:56:42Z

37091